Comments on: On a hill far away… http://upwardandonward.com/wordpress/on-a-hill-far-away/ "I have come that you may have life." Jesus of Nazareth Sat, 04 Sep 2010 13:10:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Scotthttp://upwardandonward.com/wordpress/on-a-hill-far-away/comment-page-1/#comment-144 Scott Mon, 27 Oct 2008 02:27:10 +0000 http://upwardandonward.com/wordpress/?p=200#comment-144 Sweet! Glad you have a respectable opinion.I won't be voting though, both candidates lost my vote in the second debate when a member of the audience asked a question to both candidates, of which neither of them gave a response to, but decided to beat around the bush with the question. I think I will write in Bill Cosby. He is a great choice! Sweet! Glad you have a respectable opinion.

I won’t be voting though, both candidates lost my vote in the second debate when a member of the audience asked a question to both candidates, of which neither of them gave a response to, but decided to beat around the bush with the question. I think I will write in Bill Cosby. He is a great choice!

]]> By: Patrick Peregoyhttp://upwardandonward.com/wordpress/on-a-hill-far-away/comment-page-1/#comment-139 Patrick Peregoy Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:56:53 +0000 http://upwardandonward.com/wordpress/?p=200#comment-139 Sorry Scott, I shouldnt have attacked McCain like that, but here are some resources to help you better understand Senator Obama's point of view on things. He is PRO-LIFE, he just believes we need to tackle it from another angle. Years ago before there was AA or CR they would just lock drug addicts and alcoholics in Mental Institutions and Prison. Today we are blessed to have these programs in order to better treat the problem, and offer alternative solutions. Drug addicts and drug dealers do not obey the law any more than a mother who wants to throw her baby away will. We need to examine the issues at stake and approach it from a different angle. He is NOT pro-abortion, and He is a Christian. Im asking you to see what he really stands for and NOT what the Media says he does. I did this with McCain and Obama, i fact checked all of the rumors, all of the heresay, and i have found Senator Obama to be more open and honest about the issues, about his struggle with finding his faith, about his past, and he has a clear and ideal plan on how to tackle the issues causing hardships in todays society. Like i said, i apologize for attacking McCain, it was 4am and i have been having some family issues here at the house and i used Harvs blog as a venting tool. Here are some resources that i should have posted the first time about Obama, his faith, and Abortion. Thanks and God Blesswww.matthew25.orgwww.prolifeproobama.com Sorry Scott,
I shouldnt have attacked McCain like that, but here are some resources to help you better understand Senator Obama’s point of view on things. He is PRO-LIFE, he just believes we need to tackle it from another angle.
Years ago before there was AA or CR they would just lock drug addicts and alcoholics in Mental Institutions and Prison. Today we are blessed to have these programs in order to better treat the problem, and offer alternative solutions.
Drug addicts and drug dealers do not obey the law any more than a mother who wants to throw her baby away will. We need to examine the issues at stake and approach it from a different angle. He is NOT pro-abortion, and He is a Christian. Im asking you to see what he really stands for and NOT what the Media says he does. I did this with McCain and Obama, i fact checked all of the rumors, all of the heresay, and i have found Senator Obama to be more open and honest about the issues, about his struggle with finding his faith, about his past, and he has a clear and ideal plan on how to tackle the issues causing hardships in todays society. Like i said, i apologize for attacking McCain, it was 4am and i have been having some family issues here at the house and i used Harvs blog as a venting tool. Here are some resources that i should have posted the first time about Obama, his faith, and Abortion. Thanks and God Bless

http://www.matthew25.org

http://www.prolifeproobama.com

]]> By: Scotthttp://upwardandonward.com/wordpress/on-a-hill-far-away/comment-page-1/#comment-136 Scott Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:52:57 +0000 http://upwardandonward.com/wordpress/?p=200#comment-136 Wow...mega Obama supporter...yikes! Somebody needs a reality check!Not that I support McCain either, but he's clearly the better choice. This has been THE WORST race for president in presidential history. I would support Huckabee though, he's amazing.But at any rate...I didn't feel that the blog was controversial. Not to me at least!Obama not subject to slander!? That's funny you say that, since he's going to give "95% of Americans and business'" a tax cut. You know how many business' do under 250k a year? Like all 3 of them. That's a good idea, lets take a start up company doing 600k in business (pretty small start), and jack up their taxes. That's a great idea.Abortion should be illegal. In fact, I really don't know how that other guy got so much into Obama from an abortion discussion. I would pray that things like our youth group and campus life can have an impact on our youth and try to help prevent things like this from happening. That's why we run the programs! Obama and McCain won't be able to make an easy fix on abortion, and that's why I don't care about what they say, I know what we must do as people to help the students with these decisions.Mr. Obama supporter, I pray you would be able to see the light in this. If you think McCain/Palin is the only dirty campaign, you need to go see a doctor or have brain surgery or something. Wow…mega Obama supporter…yikes! Somebody needs a reality check!

Not that I support McCain either, but he’s clearly the better choice. This has been THE WORST race for president in presidential history. I would support Huckabee though, he’s amazing.

But at any rate…I didn’t feel that the blog was controversial. Not to me at least!

Obama not subject to slander!? That’s funny you say that, since he’s going to give “95% of Americans and business’” a tax cut. You know how many business’ do under 250k a year? Like all 3 of them. That’s a good idea, lets take a start up company doing 600k in business (pretty small start), and jack up their taxes. That’s a great idea.

Abortion should be illegal. In fact, I really don’t know how that other guy got so much into Obama from an abortion discussion. I would pray that things like our youth group and campus life can have an impact on our youth and try to help prevent things like this from happening. That’s why we run the programs! Obama and McCain won’t be able to make an easy fix on abortion, and that’s why I don’t care about what they say, I know what we must do as people to help the students with these decisions.

Mr. Obama supporter, I pray you would be able to see the light in this. If you think McCain/Palin is the only dirty campaign, you need to go see a doctor or have brain surgery or something.

]]> By: Patrick Peregoyhttp://upwardandonward.com/wordpress/on-a-hill-far-away/comment-page-1/#comment-134 Patrick Peregoy Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:55:20 +0000 http://upwardandonward.com/wordpress/?p=200#comment-134 Steph, I couldn't agree with you more, we should be looking at the social issues that cause the women to get abortions in the first place. Would people rather see these babies in dumpsters,floating in rivers,lakes,ponds. Buried in the ground, burned in fireplaces???? Thats what women will resort to, they are NOT going to keep and raise the baby or give it up for adoption like the law says so any more than a drug addict will not use drugs just because the law says so. We need to examine , and work on the issues. Thanks For Your Heart ! Im with ya !Patrick Steph,
I couldn’t agree with you more, we should be looking at the social issues that cause the women to get abortions in the first place.
Would people rather see these babies in dumpsters,floating in rivers,lakes,ponds. Buried in the ground, burned in fireplaces????
Thats what women will resort to, they are NOT going to keep and raise the baby or give it up for adoption like the law says so any more than a drug addict will not use drugs just because the law says so. We need to examine , and work on the issues.
Thanks For Your Heart ! Im with ya !

Patrick

]]> By: Patrick Peregoyhttp://upwardandonward.com/wordpress/on-a-hill-far-away/comment-page-1/#comment-133 Patrick Peregoy Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:30:41 +0000 http://upwardandonward.com/wordpress/?p=200#comment-133 Harv, We have always been open and honest with each other and its time for a little "straight talk". Barack Obama is only concerned with the 7% that you speak of, "1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child". If the American people would take the time to actually look at Barack Obamas' stance on this, and each of his issues they would be totally amazed at how many lies that they have been deceived by. I had some friends the other day tell me that Obama was getting rid of firearms. This is another lie that has the American People in an uproar. He isn't getting rid of guns, any more than he is PRO-ABORTION. He is however, working to stop the sale and transfer of assault weapons to civilians like the Tech-9 Automatic weapon that was used at Columbine. People are NOT deer hunting with Automatic Weaponry and I agree. I am in a Sportsmens Club with a lot of Vietnam Veterans who WILL NOT vote for John McCain simply becaus he sold out our country in vietnam. He has lied to the American people, stating that he had his limbs broken in the P.O.W. camps. The FACT is that his arms were broken when his 5th airplane went down while bombing civilian territory in Vietnam, and when he made it to the P.O.W. camp he was singing like a canary before they even had a chance to torture him. He is NOT a Hero, he does NOT have the temperment or where-with-all to be president, and if he sold out his country back then, he will sell us out today. Do you trust your country in the hands of someone who gave classified information to the ENEMY which resulted in the death of thousands of American Troops? thats not heroic ! Sure Obama served on a school advising committe with Bill Ayers, but McCain served and voted with Bush 90% of the time , and he has done nothing but flushed this country down the tube. Our Economy, Our Stance in World View, Our freedoms and rights (Patriot Act), He is also one of the leading terrorists in history. We invaded Iraq over 6 years ago for what reason??? Sure Saddaam probably helped fund 9/11, but the U.S. trained Al Qaida to be fighters, we funded their training, weaponry, Hell , we even trained them to fly in our flight schools here in Florida. We are more responsible for 9/11 than Sadaam was. Do I feel that Obama is ready, and equipt enough to take over as president? Yes, with his calm demeanor , and the advice of his advisors, he and Joe Biden are more than capable of handling our country in every day affairs and should a crisis arise! McCain and Palin(A.k.a. Miss Teen South Carolina), I do NOT feel that either of them are prepared to take over as president or vice president. John McCAIN for one is too volitale, he is also two-faced, he has disgraced our country, disgraced our military, and is NO way ready to be a leader. Furthermore, i believe Sarah Palin gives the All American Woman a bad reputation. We need a leader, someone who is well prepared on issues, foreign policy, how government works. Granted she has been in Alaska for some time now, but there is virtually NO crime rate in Alaska, she hasn't had to make any important decisions in her career or deal with the same situations that politicians deal with down here with the rest of the United States, Funding Moose and Wildlife Habitat projects doesn't qualify you to be president. Furthermore, she has abused her power already by firing her brother in law just because he divorced a family member of hers, and there are plenty of other more qualified, well educated women that McCain could have picked for a running mate. Abortion is wrong, we all know that, but the fact of the matter is that Obama is NOT pro-Abortion, NOT a Muslim, NOT Anti-Gun, NOT palling around with Terrorists, NOT a communist, NOT socialist. He is just an American Man who has worked his way up through the hardships of life, who believes we will never get anywhere in life as long as we continue in the failed policies of the ones in office before him. I couldn't agree with him more. He is a good,devoted Christian man who doesn't wear his religion on his shirtsleeve and i admire him for that, its NOT something to brag or boast about. If McCain and Palin are "Born Again Christians", then why are they encouraging and enabling Hate rallies across the US? Im done rambling, but at least my ramblings are based on facts unlike the dirty campaign that McCain and Palin are running. Obamas campaign has been about the issues from DAY 1, and i admire him for that. He has truly proven to be a leader, and not giving into or being affected by the slanderous and deceitful talk of others. Thank You and God Bless If you would like to do a fact check , you may. Keep in mind the Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain Website has been up and open to the public for 15 years. Long before McCain even thought about running for president.www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.comwww.fightthesmears.comYour Brother in Christ,Patrick Peregoy Harv,
We have always been open and honest with each other and its time for a little “straight talk”.
Barack Obama is only concerned with the 7% that you speak of, “1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child”.
If the American people would take the time to actually look at Barack Obamas’ stance on this, and each of his issues they would be totally amazed at how many lies that they have been deceived by.
I had some friends the other day tell me that Obama was getting rid of firearms. This is another lie that has the American People in an uproar. He isn’t getting rid of guns, any more than he is PRO-ABORTION.
He is however, working to stop the sale and transfer of assault weapons to civilians like the Tech-9 Automatic weapon that was used at Columbine. People are NOT deer hunting with Automatic Weaponry and I agree.
I am in a Sportsmens Club with a lot of Vietnam Veterans who WILL NOT vote for John McCain simply becaus he sold out our country in vietnam. He has lied to the American people, stating that he had his limbs broken in the P.O.W. camps. The FACT is that his arms were broken when his 5th airplane went down while bombing civilian territory in Vietnam, and when he made it to the P.O.W. camp he was singing like a canary before they even had a chance to torture him. He is NOT a Hero, he does NOT have the temperment or where-with-all to be president, and if he sold out his country back then, he will sell us out today.
Do you trust your country in the hands of someone who gave classified information to the ENEMY which resulted in the death of thousands of American Troops? thats not heroic !
Sure Obama served on a school advising committe with Bill Ayers, but McCain served and voted with Bush 90% of the time , and he has done nothing but flushed this country down the tube. Our Economy, Our Stance in World View, Our freedoms and rights (Patriot Act), He is also one of the leading terrorists in history. We invaded Iraq over 6 years ago for what reason???
Sure Saddaam probably helped fund 9/11, but the U.S. trained Al Qaida to be fighters, we funded their training, weaponry, Hell , we even trained them to fly in our flight schools here in Florida. We are more responsible for 9/11 than Sadaam was.
Do I feel that Obama is ready, and equipt enough to take over as president? Yes, with his calm demeanor , and the advice of his advisors, he and Joe Biden are more than capable of handling our country in every day affairs and should a crisis arise!
McCain and Palin(A.k.a. Miss Teen South Carolina), I do NOT feel that either of them are prepared to take over as president or vice president. John McCAIN for one is too volitale, he is also two-faced, he has disgraced our country, disgraced our military, and is NO way ready to be a leader. Furthermore, i believe Sarah Palin gives the All American Woman a bad reputation. We need a leader, someone who is well prepared on issues, foreign policy, how government works. Granted she has been in Alaska for some time now, but there is virtually NO crime rate in Alaska, she hasn’t had to make any important decisions in her career or deal with the same situations that politicians deal with down here with the rest of the United States, Funding Moose and Wildlife Habitat projects doesn’t qualify you to be president.
Furthermore, she has abused her power already by firing her brother in law just because he divorced a family member of hers, and there are plenty of other more qualified, well educated women that McCain could have picked for a running mate.
Abortion is wrong, we all know that, but the fact of the matter is that Obama is NOT pro-Abortion, NOT a Muslim, NOT Anti-Gun, NOT palling around with Terrorists, NOT a communist, NOT socialist. He is just an American Man who has worked his way up through the hardships of life, who believes we will never get anywhere in life as long as we continue in the failed policies of the ones in office before him. I couldn’t agree with him more.
He is a good,devoted Christian man who doesn’t wear his religion on his shirtsleeve and i admire him for that, its NOT something to brag or boast about. If McCain and Palin are “Born Again Christians”, then why are they encouraging and enabling Hate rallies across the US?
Im done rambling, but at least my ramblings are based on facts unlike the dirty campaign that McCain and Palin are running. Obamas campaign has been about the issues from DAY 1, and i admire him for that. He has truly proven to be a leader, and not giving into or being affected by the slanderous and deceitful talk of others. Thank You and God Bless
If you would like to do a fact check , you may. Keep in mind the Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain Website has been up and open to the public for 15 years. Long before McCain even thought about running for president.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com

http://www.fightthesmears.com

Your Brother in Christ,

Patrick Peregoy

]]> By: Stephhttp://upwardandonward.com/wordpress/on-a-hill-far-away/comment-page-1/#comment-132 Steph Sat, 25 Oct 2008 04:44:53 +0000 http://upwardandonward.com/wordpress/?p=200#comment-132 Hi Harvey, While I totally agree with you that abortion is an abomination before God, I also feel that the party that has promised to overturn Roe v. Wade has forgotten another important injunction from the Lord - to look after the widows and the orphans -- which in today’s society could be translated as the widows, the orphans, the single mothers, the poor, the homeless, and the medically and the mentally ill. From the statistics posted above, it is clear that it is the poorest women in our nation(those earning less than $30,000 per year) who are getting the most number of abortions (48.2% -- almost half of all women who choose this form of "contraception". Perhaps if more were done to provide decent housing, jobs, health care, preventative health care (so that women don't get pregnant in the first place), and education about both the dangers inherent in abortion and the development of those tiny, defenseless precious babies in the womb more women would choose to keep their children.And there is some research that suggests that education about fetal development does have a positive impact -- the rates of abortion in the USA have been steadily decreasing over the last 20 years as we have learned more and more about how babies form and grow in the womb.The statistics you quoted seem to be raw statistics that have not been correlated with the total number of women of child bearing age in the USA who fall in each of the economic categories. Is that correct? How would these numbers change if you were to run a correlation between total numbers of women of child bearing age against the numbers of women in each category obtaining abortions? My guess is that the sheer volume of those who are in the middle class (i.e.those earning between $30,000 to $60,000)makes that 38% statistic as high as it is. (which is still appalling) I would also guess that we would probably see that a disproportionate number of poor women choose abortion compared to the rest of the population (because they feel they have no other options?)Don't get me wrong -- I am and always will be against abortion. But I also believe that as we prayerfully consider who to vote for we also need to consider how our vote can help change the social and environmental factors that cause women to choose this horrible option in the first place. And that perhaps there might be other ways to fight against the consequences of Roe V Wade other than automatically disqualifying a candidate who supports his party's platform.We need a candidate who is willing to provide concrete, workable alternatives to abortion that women will want to take -- and who is willing to commit to limiting the scope of Roe v Wade so that it is harder for women to take the easy way out by killing their babies. You are right, 1.3 million murdered babies is 1.3 million too many. In my opinion neither candidate offers the perfect solution. Hi Harvey,
While I totally agree with you that abortion is an abomination before God, I also feel that the party that has promised to overturn Roe v. Wade has forgotten another important injunction from the Lord – to look after the widows and the orphans — which in today’s society could be translated as the widows, the orphans, the single mothers, the poor, the homeless, and the medically and the mentally ill.

From the statistics posted above, it is clear that it is the poorest women in our nation(those earning less than $30,000 per year) who are getting the most number of abortions (48.2% — almost half of all women who choose this form of “contraception”. Perhaps if more were done to provide decent housing, jobs, health care, preventative health care (so that women don’t get pregnant in the first place), and education about both the dangers inherent in abortion and the development of those tiny, defenseless precious babies in the womb more women would choose to keep their children.

And there is some research that suggests that education about fetal development does have a positive impact — the rates of abortion in the USA have been steadily decreasing over the last 20 years as we have learned more and more about how babies form and grow in the womb.

The statistics you quoted seem to be raw statistics that have not been correlated with the total number of women of child bearing age in the USA who fall in each of the economic categories. Is that correct? How would these numbers change if you were to run a correlation between total numbers of women of child bearing age against the numbers of women in each category obtaining abortions? My guess is that the sheer volume of those who are in the middle class (i.e.those earning between $30,000 to $60,000)makes that 38% statistic as high as it is. (which is still appalling) I would also guess that we would probably see that a disproportionate number of poor women choose abortion compared to the rest of the population (because they feel they have no other options?)

Don’t get me wrong — I am and always will be against abortion. But I also believe that as we prayerfully consider who to vote for we also need to consider how our vote can help change the social and environmental factors that cause women to choose this horrible option in the first place. And that perhaps there might be other ways to fight against the consequences of Roe V Wade other than automatically disqualifying a candidate who supports his party’s platform.

We need a candidate who is willing to provide concrete, workable alternatives to abortion that women will want to take — and who is willing to commit to limiting the scope of Roe v Wade so that it is harder for women to take the easy way out by killing their babies. You are right, 1.3 million murdered babies is 1.3 million too many. In my opinion neither candidate offers the perfect solution.

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